The Tech Leader's Toolbox

How to Be Effective During Stressful Times with Lisa Lansing

March 25, 2020 Paul Simkins Season 1 Episode 9
The Tech Leader's Toolbox
How to Be Effective During Stressful Times with Lisa Lansing
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Lisa Lansing of Dynamix Business Solutions (www.bedynamix.com) shares the top factors for helping your team be effective during crisis and upheaval.

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This podcast is brought to you by Paul Simpkins and the boldly lead program focusing on helping tech leaders like you in the frustration of low performing teams and losing high quality employees so they can increase productivity by 50%. Go home on time and sleep better at nights. Hello and welcome to the tech leaders. Toolbox. I'm Paulson Kinison. We're here because how you lied today determines how your team succeeds tomorrow. And I want to remind you you are definitely a leader. And remember that leaders are made by a commitment to become better each and every day in my episode today I have with me Lisa Lansing Lisa is a gonna be a great guest for you because out when one to bring her on, because with recent events that have been going on lately, it's really turned all of our worlds upside down, both personal and business wise, many air having to adjust the way they work. Many are having to work from home for the first time and having to deal with the kids all around you and the dog and your significant other and everything in that home place. And so my guest today, Lisa is going to help you with some tips that will make a difference for you. Are you ready? Let's go. All right. So, as I mentioned, I have with me today, Lisa Lansing, that Lisa has a real passion for helping business owners create stability in their business by increasing their efficiency and by system izing all their day to day operations. She, like many of us, started working in corporate America but has since owned her own businesses. Since leaving the corporate America over 20 years ago, Lisa has two adult son. She lives here in the Central Florida area like I do, and she's personally experienced the frustration of juggling several people in projects in her own businesses and realized that controlling the chaos was the key to life into business. She become really good at organizing and system izing, which turned everything around. Welcome, Lisa.

spk_1:   2:19
Hi, Paul. Thank you for having me.

spk_0:   2:22
So tell us a little bit about this journey, how you got where you

spk_1:   2:26
are today. Well, it's been quite a journey. I started in corporate America right after college, and I worked in a government proposal center at a large corporation and It just became that my skills in the computer world and I just have this organizational skill that seems to help forthright everything that we did. And it came overwhelming how many proposals we had to do all at once. We're working like 80 90 hours a week. So it was a lot, Um, so from that, it kind of stemmed out of systematize ing our entire proposal process. And when we did that, we noticed that our chaos and our stress wasn't so much. And it was like, Okay, now we can do instead of one proposal, we could do four it once. We didn't have to hire any new employees or anything, and we didn't work as many hours. So that's kind of where we I started it from. And then as I left corporate America, I had a couple other businesses, insurance and financial agency, and then I just started my other business doing the same thing, and I was just using the processes and systems always helped organize everything, and it just made everything goes smoothly in the business. And it held with my frustration because if I didn't get it organized, it was so chaotic at times that I just couldn't. Your life couldn't function right. You were just overwhelmed all the time. And so I decided enough was enough, and we need to do something about it. So that's kind of where I started from and kind of what brought me here today to help other businesses. Because when you own a business, you're always the head helm and you're like you what you're doing everything yourself. But then we need to start parsing it out and delegating it to people. You got to tell him what you d'oh and how you run the business and how you want it run. And that's where I became like, Okay, after the overwhelm nous and realizing that I needed to make everything really organized systemized it really, really made everything go much smoother.

spk_0:   4:18
Yeah, I know. Project I worked on many years ago with an organization. It was a medical company made of medical instrument and one of the things that we discovered they were actually being bought up by a large corporation and and you talk about systems and that was one of the things is is we took a look at, you know, the course, the corporation that was buying them up said, Well, we want all your documentation on your processes. They had none. I mean, it was just, like, just kind, like everybody did their thing And yes, and so again, like you said, being able to have that down to a process and being able to share that is important. So so then what is some of the things? A manager again? Everything's an upheaval right now. Definitely all the things going on, people are put into entirely unfamiliar situations. What are some of the things the manager should think about in order to keep things going?

spk_1:   5:14
Well, one of the first things I think what we have right now is you have some companies that are definitely they're still in workplace. But then some have been shut down and having to work remotely, and I would sound both ends. First off, they're working remotely. If they've never done it before, you've got to get a team together. I t department and really hone in on what people's capabilities are cause you don't know. I'm and they could be very frustrating for employees, right? They have no idea what they're doing. and so could be frustrating. So I think just they gotta figure that out first. Like who has what? What can we do to help them move the process forward? Another big thing. I really think it's communication. I would say that is the number one thing because right now you're in that you're in it, right, but you have to communicate like we all know what's going on, but you've got to run. Your business is a CZ well, as best you can. So if you have people at home or however they're working, you've got have email for sure. That's a definite like tool that you've made right. But also a big thing is like doing video conferencing because I find it very personable with people and they see their managers and they okay, what do we d'oh and how do we do this? We don't We don't have to do it, so I personally you zoom for my clients so I can keep in contact with them. And there's other software's a lot of larger companies happening if you're smaller, having been conferencing really helps. Um, there's so many things that need to happen, you know, with this unknown. This like, employees need to know what's expected of them at this time, because right now they're having to juggle everybody there juggling their Children. Are they out of school? Are the in college? What are they at? They're really having to be pulled in 20 directions. So, um, I think that's a big thing. Is talking to them hugely?

spk_0:   7:04
They would you think

spk_1:   7:05
so? Going over task.

spk_0:   7:08
So would you say that's like the biggest challenge right now is that is coming up. Are improving your communication channels?

spk_1:   7:17
Definitely, Definitely cause some made. Now, you may have just passed each other in the hallway. You know, you might have had a meeting, you know, with the conference room or whatever. But now it's like, Okay, if you're out in the remote airing your at home people, you've got to know how to communicate with your folks to help them along. This is that there's gonna be a tough journey, and they've got to know that you're behind them and helping

spk_0:   7:36
them kind of hard to do those hallway conversations or the though What? That what they call the walking meetings, you know? Hey, walk with me and let's talk about this.

spk_1:   7:44
Yes, yes. And and that's the thing, I think the biggest thing, like if they're at home, they don't even know what to do. They're like, First of all, what am I supposed to do today? How do I How do I get to my stuff right on my computer? They have no idea. So I think that's where you have to get your I t plugged in and you have to have meetings and the managers have to meet with managers. And then they've gotta explain everything to the employees. And you gotta be really patient, really patient. I would say that you gotta train them. Some people have never worked remotely in their life. I mean, they don't They might have a computer at home, but do they have the proper Internet connection? Can they get to the software they need? You don't know unless you talk. I'm so I definitely think that's the biggest part. Is trying to help them kind of navigate that, and then they don't feel so frustrated, Right? But being patient and trained them is a big deal. Um, one of the big things I wanted to talk about today was when you blew through this process. Uh, when you talk about what manager should know, I really think that very important this time is to get the employees feedback and input because you don't know where they're at, and they are the only ones who really know how to do their job. So what do they need? And I mean, they really need a listen. Like, what do we need to do? Your job and actually some. You know, if you really look at it, some jobs are you really can't do them remotely. They're very difficult. So you gotta find something else. Backlog for those those people to do so they can still get paid. Right? And that's what I look at. People are gonna be looking to that like what if I can't do this job? What do I do now? So I think that's a big deal.

spk_0:   9:20
Yeah, I agree. And you brought up a great point, Which is that Yeah, a lot of people are having to work from home instead, which again is a whole another challenge. If you don't have a set aside office space, you know how you accommodate for that All right, kid. You done with breakfast? Now clear everything off the table cause I gotta work. But also, there are people who just can't possibly work from home because of the work they do. And they may be going into an office, and there's a skeleton crew around, so they're still, but everybody else is out there. Still in the same position there is, like, Okay, there's nobody around here for guidance.

spk_1:   10:01
Exactly. And that's where I think the communication comes in. Like you really might. Some of my suggestions for that honestly and what I've done with people is set them up. Like having a meet up every day at the beginning because nobody knows what they're doing. They might have tons of questions. What, you got a I got a guy them along, So just doing that, you know, Just saying, OK, we're gonna meet up every day at eight o'clock in the morning. We're gonna talk about our task for the day, what we're gonna do and you know, so you know your job because I think that's what people stroke. They know their job, But what needs to be done today and what are we working towards in this downtown and what they would consider downtime. But you don't want downtime. You want your business to move forward, and it also helps them to keep on track. Yeah, it doesn't distract them so much if they know what they have and what connected of them.

spk_0:   10:52
So what kinds of changes in process do they need to do, even if only temporary, to be more effective during this time?

spk_1:   11:01
Well, first of all, what I would suggest, I think they need to have processes written down of certain functions and their in their organization. That would be financing the Finance Department, sales department, marketing all that I know. Like you say, You know, a lot of companies, they didn't have their processes in place and they were like, Oh, my goodness, what do I do? And there's this is where black people gonna have an ah ha moment right now, because they're like, I wasn't prepared for this because what if they shut down? I know restaurants that shut down that never expected to do that. They laid off all their employees already. It's like they don't even they didn't know howto work outside of that right. Some companies just don't have to do that. They're not there yet. And this may be for them is a good time to get things in order if they don't have them already, right? So whether the big things I suggest and I tell this to every company I walk into if they don't have their process is written in order and especially this time with what they're doing, have each employee write down exactly what they do in their job. Write it down like documented and word and just, you know, And right now, because if they're not at the workplace that can email it to their manager. And the reason I say this is because What if you get sick and your job is vital to the department for the next step? Well, what do you d'oh you Nobody knows what how to do your job. But if you haven't documented, somebody can pick up the slack If you tell them Now, I've gotta go here and do this. It all works really well. So that would be my number. One thing to tell them is at right now. Everybody, you need to write down what you d'oh and send it to your manager. That's a big thing. But you need to be mindful also of flexibility for people. People can't always be flexible with their kids. They're trying. They gotta set up a schedule of some sort, Right? So you tell this is when we're gonna playing. This is when we're going to eat lunch. This is when Mommy has to work or Daddy has to work. This is when I have a meeting. Structure is huge in this time frame to get what you need to get done.

spk_0:   13:02
Now, you mentioned in there you mentioned accountability and at the same time again, you don't wanna micromanage. Is there a line in there where you start killing effectiveness instead of helping effectiveness because of of over accountability or for lack of a better term? Or

spk_1:   13:23
I think so. I think what you need to do, though you know your people, you know, your people, they some people may, when they may, you could tell they need help. I mean, if they're not turning stuff in on time, then you know that there's something going on. So you gotta be flexible and asked them, and you got to really be. You know, you have to be genuine, but nicely ask Is there anything I can help you with? I just want you know, that I'm here. They have to really know that you mean it. And you're not just mouthing and saying because you want to micromanage them. No, I definitely agree with you. If But I think at first though you must you got to do this daily for the first week. It leads to talk about what's going on where rat, then back off, back off and maybe only do it two or three times a week. But I also feel something really important I feel, is that don't make it all about work. Maybe have a motivational Monday. I don't know something but give people that time to talk, to talk about their struggles. Because if they do other people going to chime in, people going to say, you know, I was struggling with the same thing They're too embarrassed to ask what they shouldn't be. But you know they may like Oh, I don't know. I'm not really good at technology, so But you that's when you let the other people jump in the people who are really good at it. Maybe they need. Maybe these other people need to be trained. Well, maybe taken our and train them on that on that. And then whoever needs to get on, who wants to know more? It's not embarrassing. You're not raising your hand going. 00 my gosh, I need help. No, everybody can just jump on and learn. Something was also encouraging to cousin, You're empowering other people to take advantage of a solution to the problem instead of just could you want to be a downer, right? Cause how you show up every day, especially managers raise looking up to like, What do I do right now? Your manager's You gotta come in the positive attitude and this company's going warden, we're moving and march into of this beat, and we're not letting anything else stand in our way.

spk_0:   15:09
You weigh about asking you just simply how can I help you? What can I help you do? What can I help you with? It's gonna help you be more effective today, so it's not a it's not a hey, why aren't you hitting your deadlines? It's not. What's the matter with you. It's what's going on. What can I do to help you? And that's what being a leader is all about. Exactly. So So I was curious to read some of your block off your website and you've written before about setting boundaries. If you work at home, what's that all about?

spk_1:   15:48
Well, let's see. This kind of starts back with me. Um, I'm one of those feel I had a mom that I took care for a long time and she would call me all during the day, right? After 20 years of this, of not of me taking care of her and even just having Children and a spouse and running businesses, I was the person that Oh, my goodness, I would answer the phone every time it rang and feeling, Oh, gosh, I didn't know what they need, right? You can't do that to run a business effectively. You really can't. And even in this time, when you're at home, you gotta set the boundaries. You have to say Okay, in order for me to get something done, I have to and you have to do more of a time management thing. Honestly, it's more of time management going. Okay. My boundaries. This I work from 8 to 5 or eight noon. We have lunch together. We do this and you just have to set those boundaries. And I used to have to tell my mom. OK, Mom, unless it's an emergency, I can't talk to you till after work or my Children because they would crumble it during college or calling me. I need this and that while I'm there to help you. But sometimes it's not emergency, and you can just wait till after I get off work. And I will say doing rats really helped me. Um, I accomplish so much more by doing that, cause I don't know about you, but King interrupted every five minutes or 10 minutes, it takes 15 minutes. Focus back on something. So I'm like, Okay, how do we relieve the chaos and stress that I'm creating for my created it myself? I did, because I was when he was answering the phone so my friends would call me cause I knew I worked from home. It's like this was not helping my situation. So once I set the boundary and told them, Hey, this is how it's gonna work and they were fine with it. They really were. And if I had time during and they called or left a message that I might get back to my my lunch or something. But that's kind of where I say,

spk_0:   17:30
Yeah, I know what we were talking. My mother called me on the phone and you had to, like, throw it into a voicemail real quick. Sorry, Mom. I swear I'll call you back, but it's

spk_1:   17:40
right. Exactly.

spk_0:   17:42
But you were in that challenge now you because my wife is now starting up her own business as well. So she's working from home. I work from home office, and and so again, there's that dynamic, you know, before when she was working out in the corporate world. Yeah, I kind of had the house to myself for a while while the kids were at school and and she was at work, and I had it all myself. But now it's like everybody's here all the time, and somewhere in there you have to say Okay. Yeah, I'm focused right now. This'll focused time for me because I'm highly distractible. Anyway, on focus time for me and you gotta let me be, you know,

spk_1:   18:25
And that's what I do with my son is live one. That's the way it caused one that's home and have to say the same thing. Okay, tomorrow I have this. And so from this time this time, I'm not going to build a interact. But then I set a time aside for him. It's okay, let's talk about the day, what we're doing and sometimes we do the night before. But you gotta set the boundaries somewhere because otherwise it's just It's a constant thing and we all get distracted. I don't care who you are, you don't have, you know, just you get distracted of a little thing. So I think that's wise what you're doing.

spk_0:   18:54
So now some of the stuff that I've heard you mention, and also that you've written about his mental clutter, Uh, what kind of mental clutter likely toe happen during this time? Wow,

spk_1:   19:08
there could be so much. Um,

spk_0:   19:10
just pick a few. A

spk_1:   19:11
lot of mental art here. Well, you think about it. There is a lot of mental clutter. I think one of the big thing I would say is people will first about people are gonna be worrying about what's going on right? They're all thinking about everything is going on. What do they do? Worry about people that might be sick. You've got that mental closer. But then there's also the destruction of your Children. The dog. What am I making for lunch? What? Because that's not the normal thing. Normally, Hall has figured out by the morning time and every is going their separate ways. And you got to stop for a minute and think, OK, what am I doing? And you want to constantly talk about the virus and what's going on? You wanna, you know, I could get depressing. You want to talk? I'm nothing. You shouldn't pay attention, but everybody needs to think. Okay, I've got to stick to what I need, Thio, and I'll tell you something that really helps me. And it's I've done this for years, I journal, because it really helps to dump it out sometime in team. If you can't, you don't journal talking to your spouse taking that time, like you said 30 minutes aside a day to talk to them and just tell them what's on your mind or your friend or whoever it might be, but getting it out of your brain. Oh, my gosh. Because then I when I journal, I go back and I can read it, and I go, Okay, This really doesn't need to be. I don't really need to think about that anymore, cause sometimes you resolve your own issues. When you journal, you solve your own issues. So for me, I just say dump it out, talk to someone and then figure out Do you really need to worry about that? And most the time you don't. Because when you have mental clutter, you are You're the most inefficient person you can be. Me, you can't think about what you need to dio. I don't care. You just can't do it. It's just hard to, you know, double up on that. So I would say journal or talk to someone helps get the middle clutter cleared out and get your tasks in order. And organizing really helps Just getting in. If you're not one of steel who's like an organized person, as they say, you can be my eyes, you can just you can start writing things down and putting them on your calendar, going Okay, This is what I have to dio and you just gotta be Stick to it. That's all this is. This is just a little bit of a discipline issue as well.

spk_0:   21:16
What helped me was actually using my again. I use Google calendar typically, but using my gold calendar and actually blocking out my day, you know that this time this time is my riding time. This time this time is my speaking is You know what? I'm working on my speaking speeches, Mikey notes. And this time is when I'm planning workshops, and this time is when I'm marketing by putting it out on the calendar like that. Now, do I follow that precisely every single day? No, But it's, you know, it was kind of the old thing of, you know, it's much easier to very eight off of a plan when you have a plan than it is to just make it up from scratch every

spk_1:   21:56
day. Yes, and I and I do the same thing. I call it time blocking, and I do the exact same thing. This is what I'm gonna do this time. But I always leave white space for those unexpected moments. of things that happen. So that really helps to. But you're exactly right. It does help. You have a plan and a good place to say

spk_0:   22:14
I'm rewarding myself when I do follow. You know, when when things go. Like I devote this time and I don't do anything else but right during this time. Okay, what's my reward? Well, okay. I can go do something else for half an hour. You know, whatever I want for half an

spk_1:   22:29
hour there. Yes. So, yeah, because I'm a firm believer. And another thing about clutter, Paul, that I that really sticks with me sometimes is when you get so much on your mind and you just can't think you're not creative. You can't write. You just can't function. I don't care what's on your calendar. One thing I love to do is I just get up along the way. I literally goes it out. Go sit out by the pool or I'll go take a walk. Something were my head. Because you know what? It's not doing you any good to sit there. It really isn't your probably causing more frustration for yourself than anything else. So I just get up and walk. Do something like that. And it really does help to kind of clear the head if you other stuff isn't working for you at that particular moment. So give yourself 1/2 hour hour. Whatever. You need to go do that because then you can come back. Okay, Now I can focus on a B and C and you're good to go.

spk_0:   23:21
So So, Lisa, what would be one tip you would leave them with today? Go do this now and it's gonna help you right

spk_1:   23:29
away. I would say my biggest tip is to get your employees to write down their positions and what they do. Because this way, if they have a sick child or they need someone they need to help someone else. They can go do the job and then guess what? You just did two things first while you made the business move forward. Secondly, you help someone out and they'd aren't stressed anymore. They're not worried about their job being done. And guess what, then everybody's happy, but that is a big thing. Getting that, getting those positions written out, step by step. What you do is best you can at this time if you're shoved into it. Hopefully, a lot of people have this stuff written out, but I know a lot of companies don't. And so they're struggling around trying to figure out what pieces to put wear. So that would be might think it's tip for now.

spk_0:   24:18
Great. That's great tip to thank you, Lisa.

spk_1:   24:22
You're welcome. Thank you.

spk_0:   24:25
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And so I have a actually a Facebook group called Smoke and Ash, where me and my friends, that's what we do We share recipes and ideas was one another all about outdoor cooking again would, no matter what it ISS grilling whatever. We share it out there. And so I invite you to come out to that Facebook group sometime and join us on there and share recipes. And in fact, the recipe I want to share with you today was actually shared with me by one of my friends. They're on smoke and ash. His name is he's actually a longtime friend of mine named Paul DeLucca, and Paul is a software engineer. But he's a member of the Smoke and Ash team on the group on the Facebook group, and he used this recipe and this recipe actually comes from a website. This is where he found it. It's called barbecue pit Boys. They have got I went out there and visited the website Man, they've got all kinds of stuff out there, and they're not paying me for this, but I always like to do shameless plugs for my friends out of that barbecue boy barbecue pit boy's website, and they have got just everything out there. They sell grills and cookers that got tons of recipes out there, all kinds of ideas. And you can actually start your own little chapter of barbecue pit boys as well. And that's the website is B B Q pit boys dot com. Go out there and check it out sometime. This recipe I'm gonna share with you is called bacon egg pan pie, and you're basically gonna kick this in. Usually, a best thing is a cast iron skillet the size of skillet to use it can depend on the quality you're cooking for. The quantities I'm gonna give you is a big portion. This is like feeding a massive amount of people. Uh, so again, if you're smaller group, you're gonna probably cut this in half. Use a smaller skillet as well to make this work out. Eso here before the recipe. What you're gonna need is you need about £2 of bacon. That alone tells you this is gonna be for a big group about £2 of bacon. Now, my friend Paul Delucca said that he used thick cut bacon for this and it came out real well. You're also gonna need about close to two dozen eggs and you need some vegetable oil. You need about four cups of grated cheddar cheese. You need Parmesan cheese. You need a large white onion diced up, uh, about two cups of potato chips and then freshly ground pepper. And what you're gonna do is your first gonna cook the bacon a tely ste. Partially, You don't want to cook it to crispness, because if you cook it crisp, it's not gonna work for the next step. You want to cook it, but you don't want it to get crispy. You're gonna take this bacon strips, you're gonna roll them up and then place them in the pan on their side. So they're standing up basically in the pan until you fill the pan with the rolled up bacon. Then you're gonna crack your eggs one at a time, crack the eggs and drop them over top of the bacon, trying to fill the spaces around the bacon with the eggs. You want those eggs to fill up the top of the bacon. So again, just keep cracking those eggs over top. Even if you have to do it twice each piece of bacon, then you're gonna take your diced onion. Sprinkle it over top of all that. Season it with the fresh ground black pepper. What you can also use with this, which is one of my favorite things, is Everglade seasoning is perfect for that, and then you wantto crunch up the potato chips, mix them with the cheese, and then after you start cooking the eggs either over an open fire or over a stove, and when the eggs are nearly finished, spread that ship and cheese mixture evenly over the top. Put a lid on it and let it cook until everything's cooked through and the cheese is melted and you're good to go. And, uh, and again, it, uh, sounds delicious. Definitely something that would fill you up on a camping trip or any kind of an outing. You may have to take a Plavix or something with it afterwards, but it sounds absolutely delicious. And so there it is. It's called a bacon egg pan pie again. If you want to download that recipe, you can come out to the smoke and Ash Facebook group, and we've got that recipe out there available for you to download. And again, you want to join the group, and you can learn other recipes like that. Oh, by the way. Also, if you have a recipe you would like to share with us, all you have to do is email it to me. AT T l Toolbox at boldly lead dot com. That's TL toolbox at boldly lead dot com. Share that recipe, and if I use the recipe on one of the episodes, I'll give course. Give you credit for it. You can also go to the Smoke and Ash Group and share it with me there as well. So today we talked about how to be more effective, more productive in changing environment in the workplace. And our guest today was Lisa Lansing laces. Thank you so much for what you shared with us today, especially that one tip at the end. Um, what are you working on right now?

spk_1:   30:35
Well, I've got a couple of things. I'm actually working on a time management course, so that will be coming out soon, and you'll see it posted in my Facebook group called Get more done, and I'd love to invite everybody to join their if they'd like to. And you can also go to my website at B Dynamics. That's with an x dot com and go out there and you can see all the new stuff we're doing. I'm getting ready to launch a new website with all my new programs, so you'll see that coming soon, So pay attention to that. But I appreciate your time. Paul, thank you so much for this. Having me on,

spk_0:   31:08
thank you for being here, Lisa. And again, that's her Facebook group is called Get More Done and website is be dynamics with an ex dot com. So thank you very much. Lisa Lansing. So again, folks Ah, don't forget to subscribe to this podcast so that you'll hear when every new episode comes up. And also don't forget we have a Facebook group for the tech leaders. Toolboxes. Well, exactly by that name, the tech leaders Toolbox, Facebook group. So if you have any questions about anything that we've talked about on the show, where if you want expand on anything, we'll have that out there is Well, that's it for today. Go out and be the leader you were meant to be